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    <title>Gabor Torok's Forum Nokia Blog - Thoughts on Palm Pre</title>  
                    <updated>2009-04-06T06:52:56Z</updated>
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            <title></title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-04-06:25072</id>
                        <updated>2009-04-06T06:52:56Z</updated>
            <published>2009-04-06T06:52:56Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> You are right about patented things, as described in this news: 
http://osnews.com/story/20826/Apple_Hints_at_Legal_Action_Against_Palm 
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            <author>
                <name>Sir Pulse</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
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                &lt;p&gt;You are right about patented things, as described in this news:&lt;br /&gt;
http://osnews.com/story/20826/Apple_Hints_at_Legal_Action_Against_Palm&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Re:Korsun14</title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-04-02:25045</id>
                        <updated>2009-04-02T02:53:28Z</updated>
            <published>2009-04-02T02:53:28Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> such error it happened to me even on firefox 
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            <author>
                <name>cell phone news</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
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                &lt;p&gt;such error it happened to me even on firefox&lt;/p&gt;

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            <title></title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-02-22:24840</id>
                        <updated>2009-02-22T12:14:40Z</updated>
            <published>2009-02-22T12:14:40Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> sorry for the second comment, some error of opera9.6 
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            <author>
                <name>korsun14</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
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                &lt;p&gt;sorry for the second comment, some error of opera9.6&lt;/p&gt;

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            <title></title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-02-22:24839</id>
                        <updated>2009-02-22T12:13:43Z</updated>
            <published>2009-02-22T12:13:43Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> the &quot;revival&quot; of the palm is a very good news, because palm PDAs always were very quality and not very expensive 
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            <author>
                <name>korsun14</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
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            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;the &quot;revival&quot; of the palm is a very good news, because palm PDAs always were very quality and not very expensive&lt;/p&gt;

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            <title></title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-02-22:24838</id>
                        <updated>2009-02-22T12:13:16Z</updated>
            <published>2009-02-22T12:13:16Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> the &quot;revival&quot; of the palm is a very good news, because palm PDAs always were very quality and not very expensive 
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            <author>
                <name>korsun14</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;the &quot;revival&quot; of the palm is a very good news, because palm PDAs always were very quality and not very expensive&lt;/p&gt;

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            <title></title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-01-14:24666</id>
                        <updated>2009-01-14T22:21:05Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T22:21:05Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> But we already have wireless inductive PC mouses on market, which charged from their pad. I concede what that technology is not perfect right now, but sure it&#039;s become better in future. After ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>aleksanfr_trufanov</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;But we already have wireless inductive PC mouses on market, which charged from their pad. I concede what that technology is not perfect right now, but sure it&#039;s become better in future. After all, even now we can make microwave-like charger which can charge devices inside and does&#039;t pollute environment. I&#039;m not good in phisics too, but hope Palm have some significant progress in that field so they sure enouth to present touchstone to market.&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>My colleagues didn&#039;t buy the idea of Touchstone</title>
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                        <updated>2009-01-14T22:01:54Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T22:01:54Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Well, I talked about the idea of Touchstone with my colleagues and interestingly their first reaction was that it&#039;s both inefficient and unnecessarily pollutes its surrounding. I remember that I ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>tote_b5</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;Well, I talked about the idea of Touchstone with my colleagues and interestingly their first reaction was that it&#039;s both inefficient and unnecessarily pollutes its surrounding. I remember that I was not too good in physics ...&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Palm Touchstone</title>
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                        <updated>2009-01-14T18:59:01Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T18:59:01Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> As for me, Palm Touchstone is much more interesting then whole Palm Pre. I&#039;m sure future belong to wireless charging system and Nokia should look (hope they already working on that) in that ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>aleksanfr_trufanov</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;As for me, Palm Touchstone is much more interesting then whole Palm Pre. I&#039;m sure future belong to wireless charging system and Nokia should look (hope they already working on that) in that direction too...&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Looking forward to your article :)</title>
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                        <updated>2009-01-14T15:33:35Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T15:33:35Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Hi, 
 Thanks for your comments, Jack! I&#039;m really looking forward to your article, because - as I&#039;ve mentioned - I&#039;m not a Palm developer, but still eager to hear other people&#039;s opinion possibly ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>tote_b5</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
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                &lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your comments, Jack! I&#039;m really looking forward to your article, because - as I&#039;ve mentioned - I&#039;m not a Palm developer, but still eager to hear other people&#039;s opinion possibly those, too, who do have experience in developing for Palm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have heard of that it would be HTML5 support included, still I can&#039;t see how that will help in developing such applications that I have listed above.&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>&quot;you simply can&#039;t solve everything with the HTML/CSS/JavaScript trinity&quot;</title>
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                        <updated>2009-01-14T15:27:33Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T15:27:33Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Well, the Palm gives you a JSON-based message bus to tap into a wide range of device services, including contacts, calendars, and location. 
Please also note HTML5(!), Flash and the others ;-) We ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>jack44</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
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                &lt;p&gt;Well, the Palm gives you a JSON-based message bus to tap into a wide range of device services, including contacts, calendars, and location.&lt;br /&gt;
Please also note HTML5(!), Flash and the others ;-) We need to wait for SDK to judge this...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I find more time, I&#039;ll write a new post, because I see it in a different way ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>I think almost all the existing Palm developers have moved on already</title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-01-14:24658</id>
                        <updated>2009-01-14T14:29:23Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T14:29:23Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> It&#039;s been such a long time since there were any new and interesting Palm devices.  This new OS release has been in the works for years, probably about 2 or 3 years too long. 
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            <author>
                <name>Sorcery-ltd</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
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                &lt;p&gt;It&#039;s been such a long time since there were any new and interesting Palm devices.  This new OS release has been in the works for years, probably about 2 or 3 years too long.&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Plans are plans - no commitment is needed</title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-01-14:24657</id>
                        <updated>2009-01-14T13:37:25Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T13:37:25Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Well, iPhone&#039;s case is different compared to Palm&#039;s: Palm has an existing user and developer-base. If they promise full compatibility-break then they can easily lots of users. A plan (if they ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>tote_b5</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;Well, iPhone&#039;s case is different compared to Palm&#039;s: Palm has an existing user and developer-base. If they promise full compatibility-break then they can easily lots of users. A plan (if they really have one) is just a plan - no commitment is needed. But it would be great to tell people that hey relax, we&#039;re taking care of you, don&#039;t worry - just everything in time.&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>It&#039;s exactly what they did on iPhone though</title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-01-14:24656</id>
                        <updated>2009-01-14T13:32:23Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T13:32:23Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Why commit to releasing a native SDK before you know if the platform will take-off? 
</summary>
            <author>
                <name>Sorcery-ltd</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
            <content type="text/html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog">
                &lt;p&gt;Why commit to releasing a native SDK before you know if the platform will take-off?&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Development - it was badly communicated then</title>
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            <id>tag:blogs.forum.nokia.com,2009-01-14:24655</id>
                        <updated>2009-01-14T13:14:51Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T13:14:51Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> Well, there was no reference in the speech that there would be other way for development. Since there was nothing mentioned about it, it doesn&#039;t exclude it, either. Nevertheless, I&#039;d say that we ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>tote_b5</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
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                &lt;p&gt;Well, there was no reference in the speech that there would be other way for development. Since there was nothing mentioned about it, it doesn&#039;t exclude it, either. Nevertheless, I&#039;d say that we add other support for development at a later stage then IF we really intend to.&lt;/p&gt;

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                                    <entry>
            <title>Legal issues</title>
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                        <updated>2009-01-14T13:04:30Z</updated>
            <published>2009-01-14T13:04:30Z</published>
            <summary type="html"> I assume that either Palm think they&#039;ve found a way around the Apple patents (slightly different implementation not covered by the patent) or they&#039;ve licensed them from Apple. 
 Personally I ...</summary>
            <author>
                <name>Sorcery-ltd</name>
                <uri>http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/gabor-toroks-forum-nokia-blog</uri>
            </author>
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                &lt;p&gt;I assume that either Palm think they&#039;ve found a way around the Apple patents (slightly different implementation not covered by the patent) or they&#039;ve licensed them from Apple.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally I expect the Pre to be a bit of a flop, particularly with the exclusive Sprint deal (with Sprint still losing subscribers last time I checked).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also expect, if Palm survive that long, for the &quot;web apps only&quot; thing to be temporary, just like it was on iPhone.  It&#039;ll just buy them some more time to get an SDK and some documentation together.  However, I see very little reason for non-web developers to support this platform - we really don&#039;t need another one, it&#039;s unlikely to be licensed by anyone else since most of the other platforms are free and so likely to have a small user base.  Basically Palm are too late to the party with this effort and, sadly, this was probably their last chance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark&lt;/p&gt;

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